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This person was well known in the community.

Oh I see

2:54 PM

Are they reliable ?

2:54 PM

I don't know them or their history, just this paper DHSH

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/82qpc5/regarding_a_recent_removal/

r/Tulpas - Regarding a recent removal.

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2:56 PM

It's about them

Are they trans?/gen

2:57 PM

Sorry fhjdhj I'm just wondering

2:57 PM

Thank you for sharing this, I wasn't aware

spency

Are they trans?/gen

yeah, Jacob -> Jade

Oh I see my bad

2:59 PM

Euugghhh thats................... siIIIGHGHHH

3:00 PM

I don't think..... the paper loses credibility due to the allegations?/lh It has evidence and it makes good points, of course there needs to be more research but I think it is still pretty strong despite this but let me know what you think

3:01 PM

I am not supporting or defending this person btw, its obvious shes not a good person

Also, it's not like everything in the article you mentioned is false, I'd probably agree with some of its conclusions. But I think it has little scientific value when it comes to data and what they really show. Data don't show much and most of it is subjective. Provided it was not fabricated as I also have heard rumours of. But regardless of that, there are a lot of opinions in conclusions that aren't proven and therefore should be seen as mostly author's own opinions.

Thats a good perspective

Furthermore, it was published in predatory journal that would probably publish anything when paid.

I wish there was more research and such, it sucks the author is accused of shitty things

Alejandro

Furthermore, it was published in predatory journal that would probably publish anything when paid.

Good point

3:09 PM

What do you think about the plurality of DID not being the main focus of the disorder?/gen Is that something worth researching or is that likely an opinion as well? It seems interesting to think about

First, I don't like the idea of plurality. I see myself as a one person with a few identities (which most of the time are imaginary friends more than anything else) rather than as multiple people. For people affected with dissociative disorders (not just DID), dissociation used to be coping mechanism they have lost control of. I won't agree with that excessive dissociation isn't a problem but I think in general there is nothing wrong with dissociating identity sometimes and you can be a functional person while seeing yourself as multiple people. (edited)

Thats fair, a lot of traumagenic systems don't want the main goal of therapy 'to become one', but to just exist with one another so I understand that

I understand them too. It should be their decision.

100%

3:20 PM

Again, I just hope more research comes out that is valid and reliable, kinda sucks theres not much to go off right now

3:20 PM

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and that link, I really appreciate it :)

Oh fuck, don't cite that

3:22 PM

This is written by the person who went around doing the whole nonconsensual pony bdsm thing

Oh no

why is it getting worse

It may have valid information, but it was written by a nut and should be taken with EXTREME skepticism

AgggHHHhhg

3:23 PM

Do you have any people who are better with good info?/gen lh

The Stanford study, there are a few others floating around

3:24 PM

Some guy named vissiere or something like that

About research on tulpamancy... It might happen but I don't expect results meaningful for most of tulpamancers. You shouldn't expect tulpas to be proven "real" by research.

Alejandro

About research on tulpamancy... It might happen but I don't expect results meaningful for most of tulpamancers. You shouldn't expect tulpas to be proven "real" by research.

Yeah true, just someone told me about 'the science' and because i wasnt believing in that (by participating in tulpamancy) i am therefore delusional and disconnected from reality

3:26 PM

I feel silly after rambling about that for so long FHFJHDJHK

You can be a shitty person and also be correct about things (I haven’t read anything they wrote this is a general statement)

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Reguile

The Stanford study, there are a few others floating around

Thank you!! I'll research

Rusty

You can be a shitty person and also be correct about things (I haven’t read anything they wrote this is a general statement)

Yeah thats what I think, I'll take the info with a grain of salt tho

3:27 PM

It seemed to be pretty well structured, but I see how some things can be opinions with not much credibility, but you'd have to go through the citations and references to be sure

It's just structured like a research paper.

3:30 PM

But most of its conclusions aren't supported by evidence.

I meant it makes good points for further research, my bad/lh

Alejandro

But most of its conclusions aren't supported by evidence.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2190/3TMK-DV19-X4A3-F995

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3:32 PM

This was cited foooooooooorrr

3:33 PM

"The impact of trauma and the resulting function-impairing symptoms are what make DID a disorder, not the plurality."

3:33 PM

Which is what I'm mostly curious about

3:33 PM

unfortunately i cant access that article, so i cant read it and verify if that is reliable at all

3:34 PM

Not all claims are cited but some are so I see what you mean

spency

Not all claims are cited but some are so I see what you mean

Check DM

3:42 PM

At first sight it looks much more credible than Isler's propaganda. I don't have time to judge its methodology but at least conclusion is narrow and regards what can be read from data.

I am very lazily reading this so I apologise if I miss or misinterpret something, but immediately the fact there is 5 people who wrote this makes it more credible

Alejandro

At first sight it looks much more credible than Isler's propaganda. I don't have time to judge its methodology but at least conclusion is narrow and regards what can be read from data.

Yeah

spency

I am very lazily reading this so I apologise if I miss or misinterpret something, but immediately the fact there is 5 people who wrote this makes it more credible

It doesn't really prove anything.

spency

I am very lazily reading this so I apologise if I miss or misinterpret something, but immediately the fact there is 5 people who wrote this makes it more credible

compared to one**

Don't quote me on this because I'm a third party source, but I recall someone saying that Jade basically said "yeah, I made most of that thing up and it was barely reviewed" - it's basically based on poorly researched internet polls and opinion.

Reguile

Don't quote me on this because I'm a third party source, but I recall someone saying that Jade basically said "yeah, I made most of that thing up and it was barely reviewed" - it's basically based on poorly researched internet polls and opinion.

AGGGGHHYHHHH

I've heard that rumour too.

Well fuck everything I said then LMAO/hj

Still, regardless of data being correct, they weren't really valuable.

The only thing that came out of it there was some interesting ideas that need to be investigated further, but its not proved much at all (edited)

spency

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I mean, what these graphs (and a few similar ones) are supposed to show in meaningful way?

Don't worry though, I've caught people citing a different DID researcher who was convincing people they were baby eating satanists. This is less bad because that guy got caught in the 80s - if you ever see a NYT article on DID or a claim that alters have different allergies, they come from that guy. Mr Braun

Alejandro

I mean, what these graphs (and a few similar ones) are supposed to show in meaningful way?

The fact that tulpamancy doesn't impair functioning, and it can assist with disorders but who knows if thats true now (even though there is other evidence backing that up)

Reguile

Don't worry though, I've caught people citing a different DID researcher who was convincing people they were baby eating satanists. This is less bad because that guy got caught in the 80s - if you ever see a NYT article on DID or a claim that alters have different allergies, they come from that guy. Mr Braun

Yiiiikeeeeeeees

And that guy was licensed!

spency

The fact that tulpamancy doesn't impair functioning, and it can assist with disorders but who knows if thats true now (even though there is other evidence backing that up)

I agree with conclusion. But those graphs don't really prove it.

Can alters have different taste preferences and such? Like a host hates broccoli but an alter loves it?

Reguile

Don't worry though, I've caught people citing a different DID researcher who was convincing people they were baby eating satanists. This is less bad because that guy got caught in the 80s - if you ever see a NYT article on DID or a claim that alters have different allergies, they come from that guy. Mr Braun

Good to know

Alejandro

I agree with conclusion. But those graphs don't really prove it.

Yeah its not really reliable, surveys aren't the most reliable thing either in general

spency

Can alters have different taste preferences and such? Like a host hates broccoli but an alter loves it?

No clue, but I don't see why not, as long as it's opinion

Reguile

No clue, but I don't see why not, as long as it's opinion

I see

taste preference is subjective and isn't constant for one person.

3:50 PM

I might like broccoli one day and hate it the next day.

Thats true, maybe I meant textures moreso? Like host cannot stand the thought of putting this one food in their mouth, another alter eats it every meal

3:52 PM

Maybe the answer is obvious HJDHJS but I'm not 100% sure

3:52 PM

On another note, have there been brain scans done on tulpa collectives, like they have done with DID systems? If not, they should because it would be interesting if the results were similar

I don’t think research cares enough about tulpamancy for that

ngghhhhhhh

Rusty

I don’t think research cares enough about tulpamancy for that

Stanford study is doing it

Oh that is so good

Is it?

Yep, a few people from here have scans from it too

I rather not have the attention

Is the Stanford study still going on?

spency

Yeah its not really reliable, surveys aren't the most reliable thing either in general

Also, I mean the questions and answers too. "techniques practiced", "opinion of community", "reason for making a tulpa". Those questions and answers to them don't bring anything meaningful.

4:03 PM

They make the paper look more scientific-ish maybe...

Yeah, some things are said to sound smart I noticed

Alejandro

Also, I mean the questions and answers too. "techniques practiced", "opinion of community", "reason for making a tulpa". Those questions and answers to them don't bring anything meaningful.

Thats true

4:05 PM

Its also way too small of a sample size to make any judgement on the entire community

spency

This study looks at tulpa collectives and makes a really good point thats along the lines of "If plurality can be created naturally, then the main 'issue' of DID/OSDD isn't the plurality, but the dissociative symptoms etcetc. The plurality of OSDD/DID is a part of the coping mechanism (or something like that)." There was also another point I saw where 'tulpamancy' is the adding on of 'personalities' where as DID/OSDD is a '''''split''''' aka, less than one personality.

Although i agree that this might be the case here, the fact that something can be created naturally is not a good indicator of that thing being good or bad, or rather, helpful or harmful. In fact, the term "naturally" is quite arbitrary to start with, one could argue that everything possible is natural as it is consecuence of the laws of physics.

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I think it's one of the smallest problems. But I think the small size makes it suspicious if anything, tulpa community isn't small, the census on reddit have had more responses and more complicated questions.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Although i agree that this might be the case here, the fact that something can be created naturally is not a good indicator of that thing being good or bad, or rather, helpful or harmful. In fact, the term "naturally" is quite arbitrary to start with, one could argue that everything possible is natural as it is consecuence of the laws of physics.

That is a veeeeerrrrry good point

4:09 PM

I'm learning so much fdujhdfj thank you for the discussion :)

4:10 PM

not to be all poetic but when you think about it like 'tornadoes are natural' but they usually arent good

4:10 PM

thats not really poetic is it

4:10 PM

But yes i get what you mean!!!!

Oftentimes natural stuff is naturally evolved to hurt other natural stuff.

Yeah